tv The Last Word MSNBC March 15, 2012 1:00am-2:00am EDT
republicans candidates are fighting for the honor of losing to president obama in the general election and now they are all wondering how much longer newt gingrich will dream the impossible dream. >> the time is now for conservatives to pull together. >> rick santorum does it again. >> rick santorum sweep of alabama and mississippi primaries. >> the best chance to win this is to nominate a conservative. >> rick santorum has all of the momentum now. >> senator santorum is at the desperate end of his campaign.
>> romney finished third in both southern states. >> mitt romney forced to spend $2 million in mississippi and alabama. >> he said in alabama i'm going to win here. >> tell me what mitt romney needs to say. >> he's got a message problem and narrative problem? the messaging question. >> he's busy talking about cheesy grits and y'all and going around trying to be a regular guy. >> the vast number of the base does not want him. >> if you are the front runner and you come in third you are not much of a front runner. >> if i'm a weak front runner, what does that make newt gingrich. >> what happened to newt gingrich last night? >> newt gingrich vowing to roll on to tampa. >> i emphasize going to tampa. >> newt vowed to take his fight to tampa in he made it clear he is not getting out. >> gingrich is in this thing until the end. >> what state do you think you can win. >> i don't know yet. >> newt gingrich is swimming in a sea of delusion. >> it is hard for us to get inside of the great man's mind. >> newt craves attention as many of us politics do.
>> why is this guy in the race. >> he will have to say more outrageous things to draw attention to himself. >> newt wants to go to the convention come hell or high water. [ laughter ] >> republican voters can't seem to decide who the republican nominee for president should be, so that, of course, leaves republicans wondering, who does god want? after watching romney finish in third, erick erickson wris it is almost like god himself is toying with romney. maybe it is because the romney camp said it would take an act of god for santorum or gingrich to win. god seems like he wants to make it happen. all right. let's look at the big board. according to nbc news, here's where the race to the 1,144 delegates stands. mitt romney leads with 419.
rick santorum swek 184. newt gingrich third 136. ron paul is way behind with 34. the romney campaign political director rich beesen distributed a memo saying santorum and gingrich trail by margin that's cannot mathematically make up. rick santorum did not try to fight math with math today. >> pretty sad when all you have is to do math trying to go out there and win it on substance and on what americans want to hear about. we're a long, long way from over and you know what i suspect if we keep winning state after state after state we'll be the nominee. >> according to nbc mitt romney needs to win 48% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination and rick santorum needs to win 63%. the only thing standing in rick santorum's way seems to be newt
gingrich. the "new york times" nate silver analyzed public policy polling that ask canned republicans in five states who they would vote for if newt gingrich dropped out of the race. slightly more than half, 57% of mr. gingrich's supporters would two to rick santorum and about a quarter, 27% would go to mr. romney. the remainder 16% would actually go to ron paul. now, if we applied those percentages to last night's races, instead of winning alabama by 6%, without newt gingrich in the race, rick santorum would have won with 52% to mitt romney's 37%. and in mississippi, instead of narrowly winning by 2%, rick santorum would have won with 51% to mitt romney's 39%. joining me now editorial director of aol "huffington post" and msnbc political host howard fineman and chief adviser
to george w. bush mark mckinnon. when you look at these math exercises we are dogging right now, not quite college-board level math problem s but if you took gingrich out, look at that. santorum would be in the 50s. he would be getting di vice i have majority victories in these things. >> he would but you have to say what is the incentive for gingrich to get out? the math is if he stays in romney probably doesn't get the number of delegates he needs to win on the first ballot of the convention. why wouldn't gingrich stay in the convention and go to the second ballot and he is the king maker either way. because i don't think that ron paul's delegate -- >> there's been a big presumption that if gingrich gets out all of those voters go to snowstorm. they don't all go, but we're seeing that probably, let's call
it 60% of them would go. a lot of them would go to mitt romney. it seems to me you are saying to voters i want you to make a different decision. right now there are four decisions including ron pauchl you have three major candidates. when you say not anymore. now you have two. you are actually them to make a somewhat more mature decision. it seems to me that you could actually not just change the names of who they are allowed to think about but it may change the way they think of this. some of these people who are thinking gingrich and san tore are rum in order to express themselves. when you say no, it is just out of these two they may feel like they are choosing a nominee and that may -- i'm trying to make sure we don't miss anything here. that may actually work to romney's favor. >> yes. >> that you then just have one guy against romney. is there any way that could work
to romney's favor? >> well, lawrence. you can take the boy out of boston but you can't take boston out of the boy. i think you have it figured out. i think a lot of people are voting for rick santorum out of protest. as a matter of fact, in ohio where i interviewed a lot of voters who were strong santorum voters they said we know he is not going to win but we will support romney if and when we have to. if people think they will get rick santorum elected it is a different calculation. the 57% number that nate silver came up with is not as impressive as the santorum people would like to have you think about what percentage of the gingrich vote would break their way. i was talking to one of them earlier today. they said we will get three-quarters, almost all of
them. what do you think? i said show me some none numbers. they never showed me numbers but nate silver did. i think rick santorum's biggest hope is to keep the thing as chaotic and confused as possible. to get to the end of the nominating season without mitt romney reaching the majority and to see what develops after that. i'm not sure he can win a straight up fight with mitt romney. i agree with you. >> let's listen to what newt gingrich had to say on the rick and bubba radio show. it was actually yesterday. >> there's a certain advantage i think right now in having both of us tag team romney. >> mark, he didn't lab rate on that. we are trying to help him develop theories of how the tag team may help. does he have something there? >> we keep drawing the parallel of obama and clinton. it is much different really because that was a two-person race. at some point somebody had to realize that somebody was going to get a majority of the delegates. in a three or four person race that is not the case. gingrich is right.
they can tag team and extend this thing. it is about leverage. where is the maximum leverage for one of these candidates to stay in or out and to me it is all for staying in. >> howard, some republicans, bill crystal is trying to insist this is all good for the party. he said today if romney were to earn the nomination in these circumstances he would be far better off than if he had clinched the nomination early by outspending and outmuscling a divide field. if santorum were to win, he would have a real wind at his back going to the election. i can buy the santorum piece of it. it doesn't feel so real about romney. romney's been hurt badly it seems in this. >> i think you are right, lawrence. i think that mitt romney hasn't become a better candidate. he hasn't improved as a candidate in terms of how he carries himself, in terms of his confidence in public, certainly in terms of his message.
mark is an expert in messages and i think he would agree that mitt romney doesn't have a message. he doesn't have a narrative or a convincing or appealing message for how ease he's going to change the country. it is too thee credit call and gets off of his game too quickly to attack through super pacs and so forth. it poexed his weaknesses on the right wing of the party. he hasn't made that sale to them. he's hurt his credible and his standing without getting the votes of the people he's been appealing to. >> how can bill crystal think that every day a republican is campaigning against mitt romney on health care? is somehow in the end a good day for mitt romney. >> i heard an interesting theory from someone who worked for bob dole. the argument goes like, this bob dole wrapped things up fairly early. at a time when he didn't have great candidate skills and ended
up going to the general election frame before he was ready. the argue goes it is better for romney, while he is developing his candidate skills to do it against republican primary opponents rather than obama. i don't know if i buy the theory but it is an interesting one. >> i remember when bob dole wrapped that up and i sensed quickly, almost an immediate buyers remorse in the republican party. i did feel that if romney came out of new hampshire for example looking like oh, he's got this locked. he killed them in iowa. he ran away. they got 70% of the vote in new hampshire and here he goes. i felt like republicans would wake up two days later and be sick about it. if romney had wrapped this up too soon. >> well, that gets back to what mark was talking about earlier. what kind of leverage rick santorum, newt gingrich and ron paul have. the flip side is it will be their responsibility and it will be mitt romney's biggest diplomatic mission to get rick
santorum and to get newt gingrich to work hard for him if he's the nominee to bring the con venge together, make the convention a reconciliation of all of the various factions and parts of the party that mitt romney didn't win on his own originally. if he can engineer that, then this will be useful to the extent that people like santorum and gingrich will have credibility with the conservative base that romney will have to hope they can help to transfer to the nominee. >> mark, it seems to me that things have been said in this campaign that cannot be taken back. i do not see how newt gingrich can go out there and campaign for nominee mitt romney. >> you know, you are right, lawrence. that's kind of contrary to what we have seen over time. we have seen so many campaigns that have been so tough and brutal and think of how can they get together but they always do. but this does feel different. really du. hard to imagine there could be a
reconciliation between gingrich and romney. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, something we didn't get to last night. we got interrupted by a victory speech by snoumpl. the romney family problem of saying things they shouldn't. this one is from mitt romney's son matt romney. and michael moore will be here tonight. he will be in the spotlight. and the last word tonight goes to sandra fluke the woman who rush limbaugh attacked so viciously that his biggest advertisers have given up on him.
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we have an open convention. i'm here to tampa. >> that is newt gingrich saying he is no longer running for president. he is simply trying to gather enough delegates to make an impact at the convention. joining me now is rick tyler, a senior adviser for the pro gingrich superpack winning our future. the guy threw in the towel. you can go home. he is not trying to win the presidency anymore. he is the same thing as ron paul. he just wants to have delegates to have an impact at the convention. >> i disagree. i think all of the candidates will arrive at the convention on relatively the same turf. none of them will have required the reck kwi it is number of delegates so therefore mitt romney is liable to fail in the first ballot so you don't know what will happen. the delegates become free and unbound and i think if that circumstance newt gingrich has a chance of being the republican nooe nominee. >> they are going to arrive with a ranking of delegates.
it is likely that romney will arrive with the most. it is likely that santorum will arrive with the second largest number and that newt gingrich will arrive with the third largest number and possibly a distant third. so, there's no way on earth that convention is going to give their nom nooe nation to the guy who shows up in third place with the voters and who has the highest unpopularity rating with voters that anyone who's run for president has ever had. >> we don't know that because we haven't had what convention since the '50s. >> only way we don't know that is if you let certifiably insane people in to the convention. maybe that's what you are saying. >> about abraham lincoln showed up in third place and he emerged the candidate. >> rick, whenever you go to the 1860 convention for your model of what is going to happen in tampa -- >> i think history is an important thing to understand.
the delegates are not casual observers. the delegates, mitt romney comes off inauthentic because he is. he did nothing to build the republican party. he ran to ted kennedy and lost. he called himself a progressive and no wonder he doesn't relate to the grassroots of the party and can't seal the deal. he spends four to 12 times as much as every other candidate and still can't win. rick santorum never led anything. they know that newt gingrich was the guy who had 10 million vote swing. 9 million more voters showed up to vote republican in '94. that is a 10 million vote swing. no other candidates can claim that or that they led to the fight to balance the budget. bill clinton signed it. welfare reform, debt paid off. these delegates know this. they know that rick santorum did not do that and certainly know
that mitt romney is not only didn't do this he's not even one of us. >> erick erickson, red state's erick erickson has written something you are not going to like. i want you to listen to this word for word. >> par for the course. >> newt gingrich last night proved he is neither a regional candidate nor a spoiler. his influence is heading in to ron paul territory. doesn't get more insulting than that. gingrich's final act could be king maker by getting out and endorsing but pride cometh before the fall. gingrich is in mid fall. what a sad end to a brilliant legacy but his campaign is over. rick, is in the sad end to the brilliant legacy that you want to see for newt gingrich? >> look, everybody has counted out. newt gingrich has been wrong in the past. king maker of what? what's the leverage? i have never known newt to be a king maker. it's not in his interest. but it is more not in his interest to let the republican
party be turned over to moderate mitt romney and squander three decades of work on making the republican part party a governing party. >> how about it getting turned over to rick santorum. >> rick has to win enough delegates. he has to get 1144. but until then that is who chooses the nominee, if he gets it he will be the nominee. if he doesn't we'll have it out at the convention. i think it is good for the republican party. >> rick tyler, there are few campaigns you could say this to at this noint the campaign. you guys have had worse days than. this rick tyler, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> take care. >> thank you. coming up, another romney goes off message. this time it is one of the romney sons. this is something we tried to get to last night but we have it for you tonight. he said something about president obama and it is something he will never be allowed to say again. that's why it is in tonight's "rewrite" but first michael
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it was a brave thing for him to say considering that he wants, needs the nra out this working for him this year. >> you have to help me with this problem with the media. mitt romney goes out there. puts out a memo, campaign memo saying barack obama wants to end medicare as we know it. now, of course the president and all democrats want to preserve medicare and preserve its filg fiscal integrity for as long as possible. that means making adjustments you have to twist the dials here and. there romney embraced the medicare. we say good luck in the health care mark at age 72 with all the things you have to deal with. we never sent people in that market for the last 50 years but good luck and there's some limits that we didn't used to have. that is ending medicare as we know it. he knows he loses florida over it and the presidential election
if he is the nominee. so his ploy now is to say president obama wants to end medicare as we know it. this other wellian lie is treated by the media as this is what mitt romney said today. not he lied to you in the biggest way possible and he is staking his campaign on it. we can't get that word "lie" in the over of this where it belongs. >> that's right. thanks, lawrence for coming on the show tonight and we will be right back after this. -- by the way, thank you for the voucher you gave me. >> you will see what it is worth. >> for dog food. no. the whole thing is crazy. i take it seriously because whoever the republican nominee is 45% of the country, so it is really getting the next 5%. obama won with 52%. do you think there is 3% of the 52% that no longer supports obama.
i think so. that would put him at 49. nobody should -- it is good to have jokes about it but it will be serious at some point. >> no one studied wall street more closely than you have. goldman sachs specifically. amazing op-ed written by gregory smith who said he is leaving the london office. he's been there for 12 years. it strikes me as something we have sneen the movie "game change." >> we watched the republican campaign last time and projected in to what we think the backstage scene, like sarah palin doesn't know what is going on. game change shows you, yeah, she thought the queen of england was who you deal with, that's the head of state over this. she didn't know there was a north and south korea. she didn't know these things. we are getting the same feeling. you knew about goldman sachs and here's someone telling us in the "new york times" it makes me ill
how callously people talk about ripping their clients off, over the last five months i have seen five managing directors refer to their own clients as muppets, sometimes over internal e-mail. he goes on to say integrity is eroding. i don't know of any illegal behavior but will people push the envelope and push lucrative products to clients even if they are not the simplest investments or the ones most directly aligned with the client's goals, absolutely. every day in fact. his big complaint is these people don't care about their clients. they are trying to make the highest fees for goldman sachs. the clients are not the most sympathetic characters in the world. there's not a single nonmega rich client of goldman sachs but these guys are trying to screw those guys. >> yeah. first of all, let me say this. nowhere in america, other than
goldman sachs is it considered an insult to call somebody a muppet. these are the most be loved. they are loveable sing about rainbows and give you cookies. nobody hates the muppets but think they it is an an insult to call somebody a muppet. they are going after their own. they are ripping off rich people. and my guess is that tonight there are millions or thousands of rich people asking themselves the question, am i a man or a muppet? so, you have to see the movie. >> no, i know. >> won best song. yeah. >> yeah. okay. all right. you get out. >> i saw "saturday night live." >> okay. >> but seriously, though, that's the big revelation of this op-ed is that they weren't just ripping off the average joe with his mortgage or the teachers
union pension fund. they are ripping off the 1%. and it is sort of epiening a new front in the class war. you have the .1% goldman sachs, stealing from the 1%. it is -- i would like to welcome any 1 percenters out there to joan occupy wall street. our arms will be open to you and you can come and fight these evil doers. >> i imagine when you read this today, there wasn't a second of surprise but there must be been a sense of, yeah, this is one of the things that i was trying to tell people. >> yeah. well, that's okay. i have been making movies about corporate america and wall street for 22 years. so i can wait. i'm patient. but, you know, here's my question, though, about greg smith. what happened? he's been there for 12 years. what happened in the last week
where, you know, it had to have gotten really bad. something really bad must have happened. why didn't he quit when all of this other stuff was going on. something awful must have happened. it is like the snaen the "godfather" with marlon brando and he says, you know i'm feast fine with the prostitution, gambling, killing people, but drugs, no. that's where i draw the line. okay. greg smith drew the line. something happened. that's what i would love to know. what made him bail? >> somebody asked that question. >> in his piece he refers to years of feeling that it was for him an honorable place to work. out of his 12 years, let's call it four, five, six maybe and then you are maybe tracking a disillusionening period that takes a while. he moved to different offices. he was in new york and then london, some other office at a certain point. so these are the different stages of grief when you are a
capitalist. >> i guess. >> i guess what you could say is this was not a rush to judgment for him. he took it in over a careful enough period of time. >> right. >> if we were sitting here and saying he only worked there four years they would be telling us oh, come on, he didn't experience it. >> but he sat through the whole mortgage ripoff. he sat through all of the derivative credit default. >> and watched their reaction institutional and personal to getting caught at certain things. >> right. not caught but nothing happening to them. i think goldman sachs believe they have played president obama that he is one of their muppets that they were his largest private contributor in the last election and now they are not hardly giving anything to him. they are giving all of their money to romney and this is after he has not prosecuted any of them. carl levin when he did the committee on goldman sachs he wanted to go after one for perjury.
nothing. nothing from the department of justice. no real regulations, no glass ceiling put in to place. >> frank regards it as the worst thing that ever happened. >> gaus because health insurance. >> we could go back to the old way of doing it. >> they don't want any regulation. the fact that obama allowed that through, they are probably worried about a second term because president obama that won't be on their leash where he is -- i think we are all looking forward to that second term where we know what he will do. people like criminals on wall street are probably worried tonight and tomorrow night as to how the election will go. >> it doesn't seem like the best time to be an investment banker running for president as mitt
romney seems to be discovering. even on fok news they are asking you are having trouble running as the rich guy and he said i don't have to apologize for being rich. he didn't say i don't have to apologize for being rich and none of the policies i'm advocating are to my benefit. he couldn't say that. >> ted kennedy would be an excellent of somebody's who's wealthy but everything he tried to do was to help the less fortunate. not just to line his pockets. it is possible for romney, as a wealthy person, to do good if he chose to do that or say that. >> yeah. we see the attitude expressed by warren buffett and others. when you start to poll the super rich, there isn't this massive resistance to paying a couple points more at the top end of the tax structure. >> right. i think goldman sachs is not afraid of the government because they know they are the government. they have had the top positions in the last three or four
administrations either the secretary of treasury goes to them or they send their guy over. the guy at goldman sachs announced yesterday as the new head of pr was clinton's last press secretary and he was the press secretary -- >> this the treasury. >> yes. >> no, he worked this the treasury but he was actually. he was the white house press secretary. and he stood there when clinton pushed through the changes to get rid of the final bits of glass seal he was there. this jake see seaward. >> then again, i saw on the internet today by "giz business insider" magazine two weeks ago published a photo of bill clinton having lunch at a boca raton resort having lunch with blankfine. and this guy mentions blankfein.
he is the problem. >> he's the guy that set that possibly purchasered himself and wanted action taken against him and of course nothing happened. >> do you think that romney will find a way at some point to deal with both of his previous occupation and his wealth as a candidate? doesn't sound like he has figured out a way of talking about it. >> i don't know. because we will go back to talking about how he made his money and that is by eliminating jobs and screwing americans right and left. that's how he became as wealthy as he became. we don't talk about that too much anymore. but then again, i'm one of these people who believes that rick santorum has every bit the same chance as romney as making it here and if he leads he will lead a religious crusade people will be excite about him in a way they wouldn't be excited about romney.
i wouldn't take any of this for granted. >> they poll about the same against president obama but snoumpl santorum would have the advantage of enthusiasm which romney doesn't have. michael moore, thank you very much for coming in tonight. really appreciate it. we will be back coming up with the woman who was attacked by rush limbaugh. sandra fluke will have the last word tonight. in the rewrite, we will have another chapter of weird stuff romney says. this time it is matt, matt romney who tried to say good things about hi father in hawaii but said something about president obama that the campaign will never ever let him say again. that's next. [ male announcer ] the game of life with the prius c!
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in on the's rewrite the her red tear trait of misspeaking moves through the romney generations. saying weird stuff destroyed the first romney campaign for the presidency in 1968. george romney, willard m. romney's father said this in a detroit television interview after being asked about his inconsistent positions on the vietnam war. >> when i came back from vietnam, i just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get. when you go over to vietnam -- not only by the generals by the diplomatic corps over there. and they do a thorough job. >> we simply don't have time in tonight's program to list all of the weird stuff that willard m. romney has said in this presidential campaign, and in his last presidential campaign. we don't have time to catalog everything from the $10,000 bets to the cheesy grits but there is something he said in his last
presidential campaign that is worth remembering tonight. when asked why his sons never for a second considered serving in the wars in iraq and afghanistan that mitt romney liked so much, he actually said this -- >> one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping to get me elected because they think i would be a great president. >> one of those sons who served his country by hanging around his father's losing presidential campaign in 2008 got the coveted task of surrogate campaigning this week in hawaii, where mitt romney won the republican caucuses. matt romney said this monday in hawaii. >> i'm not here to talk about president obama. i think he's great. >> matt romney didn't do so badly in his speech for his father after that little moment, but you know that they are going to be dragging matt romney back in the surrogate speaking school to make sure he never uses the word "great" to refer to anyone not named romney.
there are two possibility s to explain what you just heard matt romney say. one, he was just speaking the truth and thinks that president obama is great. maybe he was actually just saying what he thinks. that happens every once in a while in front of an open mic at political events. the other possibility is that he was in the great romney tradition pandering to the locals. they don't serve a lot of cheesy grits in hawaii but it is obama country and knowing that hawaiiens really, really like president obama, matt romney might have chosen to begin with a little pander to the locals and then swerve in to why his father should be president. so he found himself saying this line that is worth hearing again because i don't think we're ever, ever gone that hear matt romney say this again. >> i'm not here to talk about president obama.
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>> if we are going to pay for your contraceptive and for you to have sec we want you to post your videos on-line so we can all watch. a woman impregnant nated through rape should accept the gift of human life. >> accept what god has given you and make the best of the situation. these aren't our words they are all things by prominent members of the republican party. >> that's from a video released
from move on.org yesterday. joining me is the woman rush limbaugh's words were aimed at, sandra fluke. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> michael moore and i were talking about you in the break and we have both marvelled at the way you have handled yourself during this controversy surrounding you was forced on you by are rush limbaugh. in that marveling, i have to ask you what in your life has prepared you for this? obviously nothing prepared you specifically for these kinds of attacks but you have held your ground and dignity so marvelously throughout. it has been extraordinary to watch. >> thank you very much. i don't know that there's anything in particular that has prepared me for this. i will say i was always taught to stand up for others and for what i believed in, regardless of whether or not it was popular. >> >> we're a couple of weeks in to this controversy that's been going on around all of this. what do you think the points are
that are getting lost in too much of the noise that's been made around this. >> the entire point. the policy point which is what i have always been trying to talk about and there's certainly a lot of misinformation that's been circulating about this being a taxpayer program where taxpayers or the government was going to pay for contraception. that is untrue. this is a program about private insurance. it has nothing to do with government funding. the government does and should pay for contraception access for the very poorest women through programs like medicaid, but it is important to be clear that this policy is not about that. this is about an insurance that women pay for through their own premiums through their employers and their universities. >> sandra, i'd love for you to respond to the laiftest said on fox news on o'reilly just tonight. listen to this.
>> here's the bottom line. you go to wal-mart, sams club or neighborhood market for instance. any of these pharmacies you tonight have to be a member of these places you go in and pay $9 a month sghchlt is that true. >> $9 a month. >> that $100 a year. >> go ahead. >> i'd like to share the response of a woman who saw some of that type of coverage and e-mailed me because it upset her very much. she actually has a genetic condition and she's unable to use cheap forms of contraception, less expensive forms because of her genetic condition. for her, her contraception costs $1200. the point really is that different women have different kinds of medical needs and that requires them to use different forms of contraception. some are more expensive than others. what this policy does is make sure all women have access to the health care they need. >> this is about a decision that needs to be made with an individual doctor concerning the
needs of an individual patient. so, it's not something for sam's club to decide who can use the cheapest possible product out there. >> absolutely. >> sandra, where do you think this goes from here? and where do you go from here in the center of this storm? >> well, for me, i'm just continuing to try to talk about the policy aspects of this and how this regulation will give american women affordable access to a basic health care need that they have. the new york observer recently called me relentlessly wonky so i guess that's what i am. that's what i'm trying to focus on and i hope the debate turns to that rather than these irrelevant personal topics about my history. >> sandra, a bloomberg poll shows a majority of the country is with you, 53% saying rush limbaugh should be fired for the words he used about you and i think importantly in that poll, 30% of republicans, 30% of republicans think that rush
limbaugh should be fired for that. does that surprise you? >> no i guess it doesn't gres surprise me. as i have said in the past i completely understand why people are upset about that type of rhetoric and that type of attempt to silence women. it seems they are making their voices heard regarding that. >> does it feel like you took some heat and because you have taken it and survived it with rush limbaugh that this probably will not happen to someone coming along in your situation in the future? >> i sincerely hope that is the case that no other woman has to go through this. i really do hope that. >> sandra fluke, you have been a model of dignity throughout this entire controversy and i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight. i'm glad you got the last word. >> thank you for having me. >> you can have the last word on-line at our blog and you can follow my tweets@lawrence.